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steve

I appreciate your critique. having gone to events like these in my pre-Christ days, you described well my own approach at those times, even then I saw the message as irrelevant and was therefore not appropriately affronted, so I went for the free food and fun.

I felt at the time the sense of impatience and lack of interest in ME, and more of a sense of "number hype", something to tout when soliciting more $$. I was a bit jaded by my dad, and yet there was something still there I was detecting, I think.

Having been the person giving the 3 min or less sales pitch, I can see that there is some way to do it without being entirely usury, and yet as Jesus has shown me more about what the Incarnation means (at least the historical contextualized aspects) the more I have moved towards "relational" evangelism, and spurned (if not unhealthy bitterness) this en masse style of evangelism that parachurch orgs like so much.

Rob Sharpe

Earlier this summer I read a book by a local author, Warren Cole Smith, titled "A Lover's Quarrel With The Evangelical Church" and one of his critiques is one that you mentioned. He called the lack of a historical context American Evangelicals presently reside the "New Provincialism." Essentially what happened before is irrelevant.

I have, over the years, grown quite weary with the Evangelical methods of the American Evangelical Church. Particularly the idolatry surrounding numbers, as the previous commenter mentioned.

A ministry is typically defined as successful by how many people have been reached for the Gospel. When I read these numbers I always ask where did the people come from? Are they new converts to faith or simply ex-Baptist, ex-Methodist, etc. And is the number accurate? Are those people active participants in the ministry of the Church?

This sort of thing is personally making me quite amicable toward groups on the outside of the American Evangelical machine, like the Moravians and Quakers.

nickg

I pretty much agree at every point.

The Bridge illustration was particularly helpful to me in finally understanding the Gospel as God's free grace offered in Christ--but, I had been raised in the RC church, so I already had the historical background, the story, down. I just didn't understand the meaning of the story.

mary bailey

your points are interesting and i'm sure are spot on in many circumstances. i submit that God is not confined by man's "methods" and that the Holy Spirit uses innumerable ways to draw someone to faith in and following Christ.

Craig

Some good thoughts http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2009/08/whither-evangelicalism.html>here:

"Although I hold firmly to historic evangelical doctrine, I thoroughly despise what the contemporary evangelical movement has become. That's an important distinction. Evangelical doctrine and the evangelical movement are not the same thing. Nowadays they often look like polar opposites. The movement we usually label "evangelical" abandoned its own doctrinal foundation long ago. The average evangelical today couldn't even tell you what the original doctrinal distinctives of classic evangelicalism were. In fact, post-modern evangelicals don't really have any clear doctrinal identity."

Yep, and that's a problem.

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