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July 09, 2007

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nick

One point that I only hinted near the end is that the statistics of baseball have never been objectively comparable. Both the rules and the gameplay of baseball have evolved for the entire history of the game.

*The maximum numbers of balls and strikes have changed.
*Balls that bounced over the fence used to count as home runs.
*Balls that went over the fence inside the foul pole but landed outside the extended foul line were counted as foul balls.
*Whole groups of the population were excluded from play.
*Pitchers were allowed to "doctor" the ball.
*Even after "doctoring" was made illegal, it was still allowed.
*Even after it was no longer allowed, pitchers still did it.
*The mound has been at different heights, and even at different distances from home plate.
*A significant portion of an earlier generation played the game on cocaine and/or speed.
*Players of today have aspirin, ibuprofen, and other painkillers that are legal but that earlier players did not have access to.
*Players of earlier generations had to work second jobs or winter jobs, while players of today can focus their entire life on preparing for baseball.
*The number of games per season have changed over time.
*Players' bats are made of different kinds of wood with different degrees of hardness and density--sometimes including cork, which is illegal (now, though not always).
*The baseballs have been wound tighter or looser in different eras, and sometimes kept in a humidor.

There are lots of other things I could mention, but you get the point. Every achievement in every era of baseball was accomplished according to the rules (or, as the case may be, circumventing the rules) that were idiosyncratic to that era. This may be a totally postmodern perspective, but: I think it is precisely because the numbers in baseball have never been objectively comparable that it is perfectly reasonable to subjectively compare them, no matter what faults we find with the numbers produced in our own or other eras. (Speaking of finding fault, isn't it a far more morally suspect set of numbers that have had potential contributors eliminated based on racism than those produced by probable medical enhancement?)

With regard to Bonds, I have not problem with his place in history being negatively affected by things other than his statistics, the same has happened with Ty Cobb and Pete Rose among others. I don't even have a problem with people making a reasoned case against his numbers on the basis of his probable cheating. What is not acceptable, however, is for people to mix up their categories and dismiss his numbers just because he's a jerk. (BTW, I'm not saying you were doing that, but it is done all the time.)

One other thing. I would try to sell the baseball, but not to an individual. I would try to sell it to the Baseball Hall of Fame. If they have a policy against buying memorabilia, then I would give it to them.

p.s. I realize that I used a phrase about considering evidence "objectively" in my first comment. I should have used a different term, such as "fairly" or "reasonably" or "impartially."

Rob

giving the ball back to Bonds, very classy, i'd sell it and put a down payment on a house

Craig

Nick, I'll grant that baseball fans are the same everywhere in terms of booing, etc. (it's just that the Cardinal fans are always saying they're in a league all their own in terms of being "smart fans" and it's just not so). And I totally agree that Bonds and McGwire are not even in the same ballpark when it comes to careers (the numbers prove that out without question).

However, I'm not sure one can make the argument that, by the numbers, Bonds was the greatest from 1990-2004 because the numbers themselves are tainted. That's the frustration with the whole thing, I think - we just don't know to what degree the taint goes, and that really screws with the sacrosanct nature both you and I ascribe to our beloved baseball statistics. Their objectivity is now flawed, so where does that leave us?

I spent some time thinking about what I would do if I were at the game and happened to catch the homerun ball that Bonds hit to break Aaron's record. I wouldn't throw it back, as that would be rude; nor would I keep it or sell it as a relic, as that would be false to what I think it represents. I think I would request a meeting with Bonds and just give him the ball, as he's really the only one who knows what he himself has accomplished (or hasn't). How's that for an invasion of postmodernity into baseball?

You're probably right as to the literary drama of the Maris quote. As to Musial, I never saw him play, but his legacy makes me feel like I have. I think his popularity goes beyond just St. Louis fans thinking he was their best (which he was) because they recognize him as a guy who was a class act on (and off) the field. That's the kind of good stuff that the stats miss...and what contributes to making baseball legends (which is why Bonds and many others will never achieve that same kind of status 50 years from now).

nick

First, let me quote Lloyd Christmas regarding your Cardinals' playoff potential, "So, you're saying there's a chance!"

Next, you're right about the the overratedness of the St. Louis fans' classiness. They've not only been booing Bonds for years (before the steroid suspicions became a big deal), but they've also been booing the other team's best player for as long as I've been going to games. Now, I actually don't think that's a bad thing. I think it's a sign of respect to boo the other team's best player. It's like the audience hissing when an actor comes on stage in a black cape and a handle-bar mustache. It's not that you don't like the actor, but you recognize he's the "bad guy" who's opposed to the resolution that you want to see. I'm just saying St. Louisans are no different than any other fans in this regard.

I admit that I haven't read the book you referred to, but even though I suppose the author was waxing poetic to make a point, I think it's pretty certain that Maris was a better player then represented in that quote. Sure, he didn't rise to the level of an historically great player. But he was a 2-time MVP, a 4-time All-Star, and however he started out in '62, he finished with a very nice season (source: Baseball-Reference.com). Most of the rest of his career was marred by injuries, so I don't think you can really blame his late-career struggles on his "focus on a single, iconoclastic facet of his experience." In the end, I think Maris turned out to be exactly the kind of player you would have expected him to be based on the first few years of his career, except that he happened to have one once-in-a-generation year at the peak of his career.

On Barry Bonds--let me give full disclosure: the Giants are my favorite team and Barry Bonds was my favorite player while I was growing up. To compare Bonds and McGwire is like comparing Apples and Orange Flav-Or-Ices. Not only are they different, but they're in completely different sections of the grocery store. Anyone who considers the evidence objectively, has to admit that Bonds was the greatest player in baseball between 1990 and 2004. Griffey Jr. gave him a run for his money for a while in the 90's, but then he started getting injured all the time, and he really didn't do more than Bonds overall anyway, he was just flashier. Bonds was consistently outstanding in the areas of home runs, stolen bases, on base percentage, slugging, and defense (and usually batting average) for 15 years. Yes, it's brutal to watch the guy on defense these days, but for the first two-thirds of his career he was indisputably the best defensive left-fielder in the game. With or without steroids, Bonds is far more than just a guy with a home run record.

Yet, I defend Bonds not with joy, as I used to, but with a feeling of resentful duty. I feel a duty because I respect and cherish baseball enough to think that it's important that people know the truth about it and not just persist in a misperception of it based on personal feelings. But I have resentment because the man I'm defending, my former favorite player, didn't respect baseball or himself enough to play the game with integrity. I lost my childlike love of the game when the BALCO investigation became public.

Final point, I have no interest in deflating Stan Musial's fame or denigrating his accomplishments. But in reality, most St. Louis fans love him not because he was an all around great player, but because he was the best player in their team's history. The majority of Cardinal fans today have never seen Musial play. But, I never saw Willie Mays play and he's one of my favorites. There's nothing wrong with that. But I actually wish that more Cardinal fans appreciated Musial for what he actually did on the field, because that would mean they were educating themselves about the history of the game. Perhaps that would help them put the peccadilloes of today's players into perspective while still allowing them to retain a passion for seeing the game played with integrity.

Craig

I'm not arguing that there haven't been lots of changes to the game of baseball (your list is impressive), but many (though not all) of those changes were made "officially" and league-wide, and we know when they were made and why. For instance, why was the mound lowered after 1968? Two words: Bob Gibson.

What I'm trying to say is that illegal, unofficial, and unknown changes (i.e. drug use and the like) make any attempt at making "fair" sense of a player's performance that much more futile. I don't dismiss Bonds and his numbers because he's a jerk; I just wonder how much to celebrate them because nobody knows how much or when he cheated to achieve them.

When are we going to a game, Nick? These discussions are much more interesting over nine innings (not that they're not interesting here).

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